Why Europe abandoned plastic windows

Wooden windows in the Russian Federation with double-glazed windows made of laminated wood are even more harmful than plastic. Logically, plastic bags and bottles and windows are terribly harmful...

“the glass was covered with plastic,” - what is this?

In plastic windows, glass is not replaced by plastic.The glass remained there as it was, and was collected in a sealed double-glazed unit. The window frame is made of plastic profile.

What nonsense, in Europe they install plastic windows in the same way as aluminum ones, but wooden ones are much less common.

I saw European wooden windows at an exhibition. They are solid wood. And there are combined ones. They look perfect. I would say a work of art. And the combined ones will not change in size. Both options will last a very long time. Their characteristics are superior to plastic ones. Minuses. Price and weight. Today in Russia there are manufacturers of such windows. Good ones. But they still fall short in quality. I would still install them for myself.

Once they assured everyone that it was harmless and beautiful and convenient! And now someone needed to make wooden windows... And there is all sorts of impregnation, no better than plastic. But! Now they will suggest that we urgently need to remove plastic. It’s clear that they’ve littered everything with plastic! And we must learn to destroy it.

conclusion: aluminum is better than plastic and laminated wood

Pure advertising. Lies. From experience, wooden windows are coated with varnish, which begins to peel off after three years and requires updating.

I have Soviet wooden ones. They are already 56 years old, but there are no problems - they don’t smell, the air exchange is normal, they’re just perfect.

there is nothing better than wood products

This is just a PR article, we need to push through wooden windows

We decided to fight plastic in one direction in the window. Plastic is now everywhere and there is no struggle in other directions. So I conclude that the article is custom made.Someone needs to sell more wooden windows and earn a lot of money.

I was an installer of metal-plastic and aluminum structures for six years. Sometimes it was necessary to install modern wooden windows with double-glazed windows and appropriate fittings. So, in many wooden windows, to increase rigidity, there is an internal aluminum profile, and the window itself is glued from strips of wood. I don’t know the composition, harmfulness of glue and antiseptics, but given that, as a rule, a plastic window is mostly white, heating and, accordingly, the release of harmful less substances than wood.
P.S. In general, practically food grade plastic is used for the production of plastic windows. Now the standards may be softer, but in 1999-2006. this was the standard.

ARTUR, do you really not know what ship varnish exists? My windows were treated with Pinotex "oak" and covered with Finnish ship's semi-matte varnish, 20 years ago! They remained in the same condition as they were. And the frames on the veranda are also covered with Finnish acrylic coating “Vihna”, white matte. They are also in the same condition, nothing happened to either the coating or the frames. You need to know what to process.

Well, how else can I force YOU to buy new windows? I installed plastic 9 years ago and it’s still like new. One option is to say that they are poisonous, otherwise why would I change them?

I deal with windows professionally, I install both plastic and wooden windows, European wooden windows are not entirely wooden, the structure of the wood is completely (through and through) impregnated with chemical impregnations that strengthen the wood and do not allow it to rot, deform, or swell from moisture. We can say these are plastic windows on a wooden base.About plastic windows, the windows themselves are made of glass, the frames are plastic.

Oh yeah! Especially air exchange

It was only recently that people became excitedly enthusiastic about European progress. Here it is, Europe, making such windows, and we, as always, are in shit. A little time passes and, oh my God, it turns out that Europe has returned to our technologies. To wood, glass returnable containers, paper bags and cups...

This foreign country never had a winter, and our wooden ones were covered with newspapers all their lives and insulated with cotton wool. The snot would have frozen in our climate for forty years, then the fat-bellied goats would have blathered

Why didn’t they specify where exactly in Europe they are abandoning plastic windows? Europe is big, there are many countries. Each country has its own preferences. So, before you write nonsense, check which country it is! Don't blame all of Europe at once.

Worked in the largest company in Russia producing PVC windows for 13 years. Humanity has not yet invented anything better than a multi-chamber extruded PVC profile with steel reinforcement and multi-chamber double-glazed windows. But I never learned how to use it correctly, alas. I have been living in Europe for a long time and I observe a completely Russian picture: there are manufacturers and installers, but there are practically no repairmen and operators anywhere. Window manufacturers provide a guarantee of up to 5 years, “playing” on the initial reliability of window systems. But they can serve for 10, 20 years, and even more, but, citizens, AT LEAST once every three years you need to remove the old grease, wash the moving parts and re-lubricate them. It is also necessary to check the position of the sashes relative to the frames and, if necessary, adjust the sashes.After all, just one square meter of a single-chamber double-glazed window (2 glasses) weighs 20 kg, and a two-chamber glass unit (3 glasses) weighs 30 kg, respectively. Upon completion of the construction of the house, the so-called shrinkage, which is partially reflected in the geometry of the windows, causes additional stress in the design of the window system. All these factors will sooner or later require adjustment, and in some cases, reassembly of the bag-fold system. SUMMARY OF THE ABOVE, I responsibly declare that this article is essentially a blatant ORDER, as some users have previously noted. Finally, I would like to convey my greetings and best wishes to Roman Valentinovich Bukaranov. According to the theory of the sixth handshake, he will hear me.

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Such products are dangerous when exposed to strong sunlight, and especially during long-term use. With prolonged use, the material begins to release toxic substances that can cause cancer and other serious diseases in humans.
Rebuttal:
Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) releases toxic substances at temperatures above 200 degrees Celsius. At lower temperatures it is absolutely harmless.
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The next reason is problems with disposal. Abroad, the environment is treated with care, so recycling of plastic products is a real problem.
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There are NO problems with disposal. Old windows are separated into three groups: plastic, metal, glass. There are simply no other components there. The plastic is ground down and added as filler to lower-grade products such as sewer pipes, bumpers, fenders and other small items.Large profile suppliers, such as REHAU, KBE, Proplex, buy plastic scraps, shavings and even PVC sawdust from window manufacturers. I won’t even talk about recycling glass and metal.
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According to statistics, more than 70% of the European population install wooden products in their homes. This is due to the naturalness of the product, respectively, and complete safety for human health.
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Lie. Europe has long abandoned WOODEN windows. Everyone knows that furniture includes, in addition to fittings, two main materials: fiberboard (MDF) and chipboard. The binders in both cases are compounds consisting of phenols, formaldehydes and other nasty things. Maybe someone thinks that another substance is used to impregnate wooden windows??? Somehow, the middle class of Europe is in no hurry to drag their wardrobes, beds, bedside tables and other cabinet furniture to the trash heap...

Complete nonsense! Harmful additives have not been used in PVC windows for a long time. The problem with PVC windows is the lack of ventilation. As a result, the microclimate in the room is disrupted. But wooden windows are harmful! Wood has a porous structure, and in order to prevent them from rotting or molding, the blanks are impregnated at the factory with a large amount of chemicals. Plus priming and painting. Something like this.

then someone mentioned ship varnish... It would be nice to explain what it is. Just this winter I was looking for articles about this varnish. It was created so that the underwater part of the ship would not become overgrown with shells and other marine micro life. That is: poisonous substances have been added to these varnishes. Look for information on the Internet, this is not secret information. And, by the way, the best (durability, coating strength and efficiency) were developed in the USSR.I would also like to read in the author’s article what plastic windows are made of (?) Just to say that the products contain toxic substances and nothing more... Lead in the profile... Lead in the open state is used in classic stained glass! Somehow “EUROPEAN ECOLOGISTS” won’t be hysterical to remove all the stained glass windows in all the palaces and temples...! Harmful substances begin to be released from the window profile during extreme heating - during a fire. But when burning, environmentally friendly wood does not release oxygen. And the result is the same - poisoning and suffocation of any living organism. Now about the wooden windows so praised by ecologists... Yes, if the window is not glued (in the old days they used carpentry bone glue - it is strong and harmless), because modern glue - synthetics - is poison, then it cannot be used in a “healthy product”. So, if the window is not glued, it is safe, but not strong and the wood will rot quickly. And made from glued timber, and treated against moisture, mold, bacteria and fire resistance - it is much more harmful than plastic.

At first there was a word - a word that plastic windows are good... there is no need to cut down forests and paint them every year. And now an uncle from the government has started working on wooden windows and off we go... harmful, not beautiful, etc. I know one thing - there is so much harmful stuff around us that the windows are resting!.. Plastic windows are class! No need to paint (inhale the paint vapor for several days), it doesn’t blow, it’s beautiful and reliable!!!

I read and am amazed. How people are used to eating chemistry, living in chemistry, breathing chemistry! And he zealously defends this right. Meanwhile. Many people know that any material, product, or body carries energy.Everything in nature is in a continuous process of energy exchange. We feel it. Even though we don’t understand it with our minds. And why do we go to the forest, to nature? Pulls. Why ? Wood in this sense is not comparable to plastic.
And further. I’ll say this as a narrow specialist. When there were no plastic windows yet. It was all just beginning. The intelligence services were categorically against them. The thing is. What if there is an explosion of any origin indoors with plastic windows. People have virtually no chance of survival. They create the effect of a closed space where the force of the explosion increases significantly. This is what we see from time to time in the news. And the fire of this chemistry “finishes off” those who were “spared” by the explosion.
People. Take care of yourself.

[ ]Oh-honeyushki. Here's another thing about the lack of ventilation. There is also ventilation, both natural and forced. It's just worth the money. They will supply you with the simplest one for 100-150 bucks (for one window). Would you like to go to the KALEVA website. There was a lot of this stuff there 20 years ago. Is the price too high? That's right, because you have to pay for comfort. Well, I can give absolutely free, but very productive advice. It is only suitable for swing-out doors. Hold the sash with one hand and turn the handle 135 degrees up with the other. In this position, the so-called depressurization of the sash occurs: a gap of about 2-4 mm is formed between the gasket and the frame. And you need to return it to its normal position in the same order: with one hand we lightly press the sash against the frame, and with the other we turn the handle down. If assembly and adjustment were carried out correctly by the manufacturer, then you have the opportunity to ventilate without opening the window. Enjoy it for your health! Good luck to all.

And in my apartments and in my country house both the windows and doors are wooden. Finnish. Yes, it’s expensive, but health is more expensive! Yes, and the house is a country house - gun carriage, and even interfloor insulation - flax!!! But there is practically no plastic. Maybe switches and sockets... Well, whoever likes what! By the way, in the most developed countries of Europe, namely Norway, Sweden, Finland...in fact, 90% of windows, and even houses, are wooden!!! These are Greek, Polish, etc. rogues who supplement themselves with plastic! So don’t lie about “safe” plastic! By the way, have you seen a lot of plastic in Ikea, for example? However, apologists for plastic windows do not want to sleep on plastic beds with synthetic linen! And they probably don’t wear lavsan trousers!!!!

Plastic windows are superior to wooden ones in terms of sound insulation.

Have you noticed with what ferocity the fans of synthetic life defend their right to live in a plastic box?!
They are not even touched by my arguments, as a specialist, in another aspect. The fact is that in the event of an explosion of any origin in a room with plastic windows. A person has practically no chance. As a rule, they do not fly out or break. The force of an explosion in a closed volume increases significantly. The subsequent fire of all the chemicals in the house finishes off the survivors. And we periodically see the results of this from the news. This is why the intelligence services were against “plastic” in the beginning. But business won.

Well, God sent an idiot military man...
If there is an explosion in your apartment, what difference does it make to you whether you are flattened against a double-glazed window or thrown through broken glass from the fifth floor???