Why did the state rebel against incandescent lamps?
In the Russian Federation, since 2011, a ban has been introduced on the sale of powerful, more than 100 W, incandescent lamps. Low-power LED lamps have become a good alternative to hundred-watt lamps, as manufacturers assure – they are ten times more productive. But I wouldn’t dare call them cheap. Where does such a cool piece of legislation come from? Let's sort it out in order.
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A game of catch-up?
As usual, even though it has quarreled with the West over Crimea, our country looks up to decaying capitalism, at least in the field of technology. In Europe, similar bills were adopted quite a long time ago. We have the principle “better late than never.”
The undoubted advantage of this bill is a free niche in the domestic market, and if domestic manufacturers do not blink, they will compete with the West, and even China. Moreover, according to tradition, we will bring the West to its knees with low prices, and China with relatively good quality products.
The fable of the lamp burning oil
The government claims that incandescent lamps are incredibly energy-consuming; you can’t get enough oil and gas to generate electricity.
That’s how it is, but there is a nuance - companies supplying electricity have to sell it to the population at a significant discount, while you can safely send oil and gas abroad for good money, and divide the difference between this same population.
We're in Saudi Arabia, right? Or in Kuwait? They will definitely share it with us.
Hello China!
So far, the situation in the country is as follows: energy-saving Chinese products are inexpensive compared to diodes from any manufacturer, and Russia provides jobs for thousands of hardworking Chinese who are happy to produce poisonous housekeepers containing mercury vapor.
By the way, they must be disposed of at special collection points; they (suddenly) pollute the environment when damaged. And it would be nice if they had a normal motor life - no, don’t count on 8000 hours of operation. This thing won't burn for eight years, three hours a day. All these assurances from the manufacturers are lies and provocation.
And the price is high compared to an incandescent lamp. It comes to the point that in supermarkets, resourceful buyers put Philips housekeepers, more or less high-quality, in boxes of cheaper lamps, and calmly make purchases.
But this shop will soon be closed - since January 20, housekeepers will also be banned. And we will be left alone with Chinese LEDs, of which there are already plenty on the market. Simply because they don’t produce it here. And guess what, it is much better and safer than the above-mentioned light bulbs from the hardworking inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom?
Right. We will again have to learn to quietly package Western goods in the bright tinsel of the East. Although... This will most likely be meaningless. Pirates are not asleep and will put famous “made in China” products into branded packaging. They also need to eat.
To sum it up: the idea of saving money and exploiting mother nature less is simply wonderful. But as already mentioned, the views of our greedy powers that be are directed in the wrong direction. If only because of their economic interest in the sale of the mineral resources of our country that once belonged to the people.
Dimoon has no money
So Dimoon decided to leave the goyim without a penny, selling lamps for 500 rubles per piece instead of 50 rubles
Reasonable.
To this we can add that it is the “big guys” who “do business.”
Same with seat belts and seats.
You clearly have problems with common sense.
or a very naive “Chukchi” girl.
incandescent lamp price 40 rubles service life 1000 hours, LED 120-150 rubles service life 8000 hours.
No one has been buying economy for a long time. A homemade 30W LED lamp for the ceiling with an operating time of several years can easily be assembled for 150 rubles without decoupling from the network and 300-350 with decoupling. Moreover, Philips will be worse...
A standard and wildly annoying mistake - “the powers that be.” Author, if you don’t know how to do it correctly, don’t use it. And to find out what is correct, please look it up in the dictionary.
And most importantly, they gave jobs to the Chinese! The fact that they stopped their factories, dispersed people and did not create it themselves is not only funny, but also not new. Why think about the development of your country? This is what you need to think and work for. A country without its industry is a country without a future, our rulers need to understand long ago
Culture and tolerance are just so bad. I hope you are not working as a teacher for children (if you are past school age, of course)?
I have already seen both Ukrainian (Kyiv) and our (I think Smolensk) LED lamps. Of course, these could also be Chinese, and ours is only the packaging, but most likely this is not the case.
What nonsense, before you write nonsense, at least understand the minimum about the subject you are going to write about. Or is the goal simply to fill the site with low-quality content?
What exactly do you not like?
“and ours (I think Smolensk)” doesn’t seem to be the case. On the basis of a former lamp factory that made fluorescent lamps, a line of LEDs was installed. LEDvance seems to be called.
I'll add. The lamp plant is not a former one, the plant has not gone anywhere. It’s just that now it’s Osram, they still make classic luminescent tubes, but they’ve also started new LED ones.
The whole issue with lamps is that incandescent lamps have the most comfortable frequency of light radiation for the eyes. When working and reading, the eyes do not become overstrained or tired. But your newfangled lamps have the opposite effect on the eyes. Manufacturers came up with the term color temperature in order to confuse consumers. The best light bulb for work is an incandescent one. LED lamps are needed in places where visual strain is not required - in corridors and common areas. I never change from incandescent to LED.
All lumens. halogens. and other gas-filled lamps blink (visually noticeable only for those that are approaching the finish line) You don’t see and the eye very quickly goes into the negative. (figuratively). There is a living example - I worked in instrumentation under fluorescent lighting for 10 years - on time left. The guys who remained went into retirement to become electricians. Vision sank below the baseboard
Yes, buy incandescent lamps, who forbids you.... I have had energy saving lamps since 2014 in my room and in table lamps, not one has burned out in 5 years... they have already paid for themselves a long time ago, and this is not counting the fact that my background light is on almost all day because the room is dark, the electricity bill from the light bulbs will be 3 times lower...
A 95 W incandescent lamp costs 15 rubles on the market, a week ago I bought 27 in reserve
according to Soviet-guests-and-SNIPs-such-lamps-were-allowed-somewhere-in-pigsties-but-not-like-in-residential-premises-VERY HARMFUL-HARMFUL
I completely agree with you! I bought LED ones for my home, but they were brighter, but now my vision has deteriorated. I think it’s because of them - because of the LEDs, because even the lumens are less harmful. But the most harmless ones are incandescent. I will switch to incandescent.
LED lamps do not contain mercury. Mercury is found in fluorescent and halogen lamps, which are also called energy-saving, but they are also harmful and toxic. And LED lamps are luminous LEDs, they do not heat up, turn on instantly, and illuminate the room much more efficiently than incandescent lamps and other energy-saving lamps.On August 1, 2013, in my 2-room apartment, I installed 12 LED lamps with a power consumption of 8 watts (coefficient 8. 8x8 = 64 watts), instead of 12 incandescent lamps with a power consumption of 60 watts. Since then I have not changed a single lamp. The only problem is that you have to clean the apartment more thoroughly, because with LED lighting, visually, there is more garbage.
Well done! I wanted to write the same thing about mercury, but you got ahead of me. By the way, what is the spectrum of LED lamps?
SDL has 2 spectrums. SDL with cool white light has a lot of blue light in the spectrum, which is harmful to vision. SDLs with warm white light, closer in spectrum to halogen, are better to buy.
All LED lamps glow white. For those who are accustomed to yellow light, the lamps are tinted. All LED lamps initially operate on voltages of 3, 6, 12 volts DC. Each LED lamp, which operates on 220 volts AC, contains a rectifier and a step-down transformer.
LEDs themselves are not made in China.
Five plants in the world, one in St. Petersburg.
And assembly by Chinese craftsmen is now ubiquitous!
CFLs initially did not stand out for their light quality.
But it says about a vacuum flask. In an LED lamp, even if you break the glass of the bulb, the lamp continues to glow and turns on instantly and does not heat up and consumes eight times less, but in a quantum cathode lamp, break the glass and glass splashes in different directions. And, I understand that the implementation of the projects is still far away, but the lamps need to be changed now. After I changed it, I haven’t worried about the lamps for six years.
Regarding Physics and Technology lamps. Invent - they invented, but they did not put it into production. Unfinished things are done by unfinished people.
And this development is the future!!! It's fun to use them in growing plants!
And any lamp must be in a lamp.
But here’s the paradox: lamps are usually made of glass too!
Speak for yourself! “Completed”?
What does growing plants have to do with it? I know that plants are now grown in greenhouses under the influence of ultraviolet radiation, using ultraviolet lamps. This technology has been used since the end of the last millennium. All pests are killed and intensive plant growth is stimulated.
Until the technology of lighting a lamp (of any type) works for lighting greenhouses (the main consumer), such technology will not reach the masses.
That's what plants have to do with it!
Domestic development differs from foreign ones:
-instant switching on (2 seconds of cowardly sniffers with Pindos)
-cheapness of cathode production (again, cowards and Pindos are MUCH more expensive)
-glow in the entire spectrum of light
If you were interested. You should look for other articles on the Internet on this topic!
When will we see these lamps on sale?
Again, ultraviolet lamps are not for illumination, but for irradiation and destruction of pests and stimulation of plant growth. And the lighting is from the same LED lamps and lamps, which, if necessary, increase daylight hours and allow you to get 5-6 harvests per year. And if we talk about radishes, then each harvest occurs once every 15 days.And they turn on not in 2 seconds, but instantly, at the speed of light. And they do not explode if the glass of the flask is damaged. And if there is a vacuum in your bulb, then if the glass is damaged, your lamp will explode.
WELL HERE THE PROFFESORA looked gathered)) Technical errors of the writers - firstly, the LEDs heat up wildly - based on bitter experience - in 40-watt street lamps - the main reason for failure is thermal breakdown. Insufficient radiator area - but it’s decent, believe me. Secondly, mercury lamps are not explode - the lamp itself is in a separate can. But if you break the jacket of a DRL-type lamp, it emits ultraviolet wildly. Like quartz lamps, it’s about or even stronger. But regarding the latest developments and greenhouse lamps - I’m not competent in current designs - tomorrow I’ll ask the advanced ones energy drinks and I’ll definitely write.
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in 40-watt street lamps, the main reason for failure is thermal breakdown
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And a cheap light bulb will not serve you a priori! PRAVVESSAR.
As for the fact that cheap products do not last long, this is a controversial statement. It all depends on the technology.
I'm not a professor. I take all the technical details either from school textbooks or from the knowledge I have newly acquired from life. There was no talk about the fact that mercury lamps explode. Yaroslav gave a link to the invention of a new type of lamp in which there is no mercury vapor (cathodoluminescent lamp for general lighting). But the basis of this lamp is a vacuum flask in which there is a cathode and anode on a phosphor platform. From my point of view, a vacuum flask explodes when the glass is damaged.Regarding the fact that LED lamps heat up, I can report that for me they heat up slightly in the base-socket area. And the flask itself is cold. But this is not a problem with LED lamps, but a contact problem. If your 40-watt lamps have severe overheating, then I can recommend baseless LED lamps. Regarding ultraviolet irradiation, I can report that in the Russian Federation there are Excilamps that emit ultraviolet radiation and do not have mercury vapor in their device. In addition to what I previously said about ultraviolet irradiation, I would like to add that ultraviolet irradiation is used to treat psoriasis of the KVD Veshnyakia, here in each ward there are ultraviolet lamps for disinfecting wards and other rooms, and in the USSR they resolved uterine fibroids.
Strictly speaking, a cathodeluminescent lamp is a CRT television with a cold cathode. As for fluorescent lamps, they also glow with phosphor (white coating inside). I don’t care much about the physical methods of implementation, but I no longer like boastful statements about the achievements of Russian and Soviet science, with meager commercial implementation. We are ahead of the rest, but where is it on the shelves and in everyday life? There are a lot of examples, starting with Polzunov’s steam engine and Mozhaisky’s airplane, and up to the present day. Where is the practical RESULT, that is, mass production?
Yeah, now the whole country will google the diagrams, order parts on Aliexpress and “make” some lamps for ourselves. Especially in institutions, workers in the evenings will work for their premises and pensioners with single mothers. The fact that you can do this is good, but not everyone has the opportunity.
I meant industrial production.
Writing an article about light bulbs and not knowing the difference between mercury-containing energy-saving light bulbs and mercury-free LEDs... Trouble...
Author of the article, the holidays will end soon and from September 1st it will be back to school! Once you finish 6th grade, then go online. And you yourself will learn something and there will be less nonsense.
This is not a problem - it’s a joy: “the less you know, the better you sleep.” They used to write on fences...
Elena, who are you talking to???
Ladies and gentlemen, LED light is harmful to human eyes, both in intensity and spectrum - it creates eye strain. A simple and safe alternative is T5 fluorescent lamps. They are much brighter and 40% more economical than standard T8 fluorescent lamps that are currently used. A couple more nuances: the color of fluorescent lamps can be selected in a wide range (to make the light pleasant and easy on the eyes), and the lum lamp can also be dimmed by changing the brightness of the light in the range of 5-100% and all this can be adjusted from a remote control similar to a TV remote!!! A lumen-based lighting system can be automated indefinitely and will surpass any LED lighting system in terms of savings, cost and payback. Example: warehouse of the Leggett Dukat factory at Domodedovskaya metro station in Moscow (a spot of light follows the loaders, it’s dark around, in the corridors without people the lights shine at 20% of full power, but when people appear they immediately increase to 100% and together it is smooth without any sharp flashes) .
Mikhail, where does such knowledge come from??? Very interesting misinformation on your part.
A fluorescent lamp, of any type or type, illuminates 48% of what the human eye sees.
FORTY-EIGHT PERCENT, MICHAEL!
An incandescent lamp illuminates up to 70-75% of what we see.
LED lighting 80-90%, depending on the quality of the LEDs.
There is one big disadvantage of any lamps, flickering! (COLOR RENDERING INDEX)
At ICE it should be more than 80!
If less it will flicker and spoil your eyes. But not like gas discharge!
Checked by phone camera!
And for the future, before you blurt out anything, check your speculations on the Internet.
At least someone understands the absurdity of Michael’s sayings!
From technology of what!?????
If you mean technologically advanced?
Well, you’re wrong, manufacturability means CHEAPER production!
How is it that my LED lamp with an aluminum radiator has been working for seven years now? (600 rub. 2013)
And with a plastic case that has nothing in common with a heat sink, they burn like matches! (up to 100 rubles analogue)
There are really corrugated plastic ones, but they work even more or less.
If the lamp has a warranty of less than two years, where will they replace it for you? If anything, you shouldn’t buy it!!!
And the manufacturer gives the year, which means there is a “technology” to reduce the cost)))
In my mother’s entrance on the 1st floor of a two-story house, an incandescent lamp has been burning from the input of the house itself - for 65 years. That’s why they stopped making these lamps - it was an opportunity to make good money. I remember that at the end of Soviet times, television broadcast that all warehouses were filled with incandescent lamps, so they decided to reduce the incandescent element for a shorter service life. Over time, factories producing these lamps were also abandoned. Why bother with them if it’s easier to bring them from China.And so it is in everything in Russia: why build if you can buy? Why feed the people if you can bring in the Chinese? Thus, deprived of industry and human resources, countries perish.
How utopian! Kalashnikov incandescent lamps, within 15 rubles, manufactured in Tver.
China…
Soviet incandescent lamps lasted much more than the 1000 hours indicated on the packaging. Personally, I registered for myself a case of service of such a lamp for 17,000 hours! So, in terms of money, incandescent lamps are much preferable if they are made in accordance with Soviet standards. And the notorious “savings” for the consumer are not savings at all, but “expenses”, and what a waste!
I want to return to incandescent lamps in residential premises as LED lamps fail. 90-watt ones are no worse than 100-watt ones, there is no harm to health, they cost many times less than LED ones, and they do not increase the financial burden of operation. LEDs burn out no less frequently than conventional incandescent lamps. 7 years of experience in operating LEDs, tried everything on the market.
Don't confuse CFL and LED. Take ice only with a REAL guarantee of two years.
Taking into account the “quality” of modern lamps, or rather Chinese sockets and wiring the size of a hair. Even where it says 60 W, 40 W lamp sockets are melted! You will change chandeliers and lamps, and then you won’t be far away from replacing the wiring or a fire. It is foolish to rely on a lamp with an operating temperature of 300 degrees and a consumption of 9-10 times. Take the lamps where they will replace them for you under warranty. Guarantee for at least 2 years, do not take more than 3, overpay for the brand!
And I changed my last lamp to LED 4 years ago.Consumption in total dropped by 50 kW per month! You can calculate the savings yourself. I took one under warranty 5 years ago.
Agree. Only the lamps are no longer the same as in the USSR.
Some kind of nonsense... TSa has schizophrenia